[bcs]

So, this is it, folks...

Government takeover of the health care industry. On page 16 of the 1,018 health care bill that was written up by the House of Representatives is a tidbit that makes private health care coverage illegal. You can keep your plan, but when you move to a different employer or pick up a new plan, it's not going to be allowed. You'll only be able to choose the government option. Nothing else...

We really need to get rid of all these social programs. It's an excuse for government to take over our lives.

Relevant link: http://www.ibdeditor...332548165656854

The 1018 page bill: http://www.rossputin...eBillJuly09.pdf if you are skeptical. Just go to page 16.

Also... for those who don't have a health plan you'll be hit with a penalty for not having one. It's going to be 3% for an invidiual and 8% for a business, on top of the capital gains tax, I believe.

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[Xenicide]

I do believe whoever voted for Obama should be drawn and quartered.

This is why you don't put a nigger in the White House. Especially a nigger with some sand in his blood.

[Bane]

Public Healthcare "rationing" doesn't work. Just ask any Canadian if he'd rather get help for his cancer within a year to two years (Canada) or right now (America).

This bill is just another tax bill and wealth transfer. I do like that they're hitting the insurance companies for not accepting people with pre-existing conditions. I think that should have been addressed a long time ago.

[Xenicide]

Distribution of wealth is the most bullshit thing ever. You reward the lazy by punishing the hard working.

[bcs]

(At least) 50 Democrats are voting against this, and I'm sure most Republicans will also vote against it so it looks like it's going to be fucked in the ass and tossed away.

Hopefully?

See you in game soon...

[Xenicide]

Hopefully!

[bcs]

Got this in an email. Pretty funny.... if you keep up with politics.

Condensed American History Lesson.

For those that don't know about American history...... here is a condensed version.

*******************************************************

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were:


1. The invention of beer, and
2. The invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.

These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals.
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to barbecue at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the Conservatives by showing up for the nightly barbecues and doing the sewing, fetching, and hairdressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these Liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.

Some noteworthy Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that Conservatives provided.

Over the years Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern Liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard Liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are Liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other Conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the Liberals remained in Europe when Conservatives were coming to America ... they crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history....... It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.

A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to Liberals just to piss them off.

[Zotics]

it's too late to read that crap.....

[Llama]

Lol Awesome bcs. It's looking like this might single handedly kill Obama's presidency. Since he hasn't gotten it through fast people are actually starting to read the damn bill, which is what our retarded government should have done in the first place.

[Xenicide]

The "I told you so" time has almost come to fruition.

[bcs]

This bill is going up for a vote this week!!! Call/fax your representatives if you care.

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. (THIS INCLUDES ABORTION)
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

[Roffle]

bcs, on 27 July 2009 - 10:38 PM, said:

This bill is going up for a vote this week!!! Call/fax your representatives if you care.

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. (THIS INCLUDES ABORTION)
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

What would be the point of calling your representative if they're only going to do what makes them look the best and does the most to further their political career?

[bcs]

Roffle, on 28 July 2009 - 01:04 AM, said:

What would be the point of calling your representative if they're only going to do what makes them look the best and does the most to further their political career?

53% of Americans are opposed to this bill and they vote in their rep's.

[Xenicide]

All politicians lie to the people who vote for them so they can get in. I mean look at Obama. Perfect example.


"I will not increase taxes on you poor fuckers. Oh btw, we're going to have to tax you for this healthcare bill"

I think it's fucking discrimination that they say they are only going to tax those who make $250k or more a year.

[Havock]

i love how fuckin illegals/green carders get it all free... just makes me want to stab the ones I work with more

[Trake]

It's a good thing that I am in peak physical condition and all the bitches love me.

On top of never being sick due to superior genetics.

FUCK YEAH.

[bcs]

Xenicide, on 28 July 2009 - 01:11 AM, said:

All politicians lie to the people who vote for them so they can get in. I mean look at Obama. Perfect example.


"I will not increase taxes on you poor fuckers. Oh btw, we're going to have to tax you for this healthcare bill"

I think it's fucking discrimination that they say they are only going to tax those who make $250k or more a year.

Well, this was also the most "racist" election as 90%+ black people voted for Obama because he's black.

They ought to remove all names on the voting ballot and put in blanks instead. Fill in the fucking blank. If you know who you want to vote for, then fill in the blank.

If the Republican party wants to win elections they need to move more to the right. Nobody likes moderates. I'd like to resurrect Reagan so he can kick Obama in the balls.

[Llama]

bcs, on 28 July 2009 - 02:21 PM, said:

I'd like to resurrect Reagan so he can kick Obama in the balls.

I would totally pay to see this.

[Xenicide]

That would be racist.

[Roffle]

bcs, on 28 July 2009 - 01:07 AM, said:

53% of Americans are opposed to this bill and they vote in their rep's.

The majority vote party, they rarely, if ever, vote intelligently. As for the 90% comment farther down, I've run across that elsewhere on the internet, and the one response was a chart listing the total percentage of A-A's voting Rep/Dem. It came out to a 3% shift in voting for Obama.

If politicians cared about getting work done, they'd turn off the cameras, cease the witch hunts, and actually discuss issues instead of blaming each other like children. Their common tactic is to take an important item, fill it with crap, then complain publicly when the other side doesn't support it because of the crap items, all while claiming they don't support the major issue. If they wanted to make things happen, they'd only include the major issue.

Politicians don't care about you, only their legacy and length of stay.