[Nallick]

bcs, on 17 September 2009 - 12:08 AM, said:

I've always thought that the health industry needed to return to a consumer-based market to actually reduce prices, among other reforms like tort reform. You should be paying for doctor's visits, medication, etc... out of pocket. Insurance is acceptable but it should only be for catastrophic stuff like cancer, major surgery, etc...

I agree 100%. Government broke the system in the first place. Government is sure as hell not the solution.

I read somewhere that in the 50s, before the advent of Medicare and Medicaid, the situation you described was the way healthcare was handled. It should be between you and your doctor. Insurance was used then, as it should be now, for exactly the kind of thing you describe. Healthcare insurance should be no different than insurance you buy for your home. You don't insure your home against burned out light bulbs... you insure your house against fire and floods. Just as in the case of healthcare, you should be insuring yourself against health emergencies, not a cold or a routine checkup. But god help you if you don't have insurance and you walk into a hospital...

But that's why everyone needs insurance! So the government must save us, right? No, that's a bandaid... everyone needs insurance because of the government... so true reform, if you want the done job correctly, will be a long-time coming.

[Xenicide]

I was lolling watching Baucus announce the so called bi-partisanship that led to the creation of the new proposal. You can tell that fucker was lying by the smirk on his face everytime he mentioned it. And they're constantly saying that Republicans haven't drafted their own version, and I wonder why. Oh that's right, government run healthcare IS NOT THE ANSWER. Geepers.

Oh, and how about good 'ol Jimmy Carter saying everything is about race now. How the republicans won't stand behind Obama because we're racist. I loved the part where he mentioned Joe Wilson's outburst as being based on racism. I guess that dumb liberal fuck has forgotten the numerous times his own party has done similar things. Some times, I really am ashamed of being from the same State as Jimmy Carter, because whenever that dumb fuck opens his mouth all he does it bring shame to Georgia.

PLEASE DIE ALREADY JIMMY. YOU WERE ONE OF THE WORST PRESIDENTS TO DATE, AND EVEN AFTER YOU WERE OUSTED FROM OFFICE YOU STILL CAN'T ACCEPT THAT.

It's a shame that Patrick Swayze died but Jimmy is still gracing us with this ignorant presence.

Oh, and this chick in one of my classes said, and I quote, "It's funny how you have to have car insurance or you can go to jail, but you don't have to have health insurance."

If I was in a bad mood, I would've said something. I mean seriously, you're going to compare health insurance to car insurance? LOL. Health insurance effects you and those covered under yours. Car insurance effects you, those covered under you, and the poor soul you run into. Clearly the two are eerily similar.

I HATE DUMB FUCKS.

[Nallick]

Yes, everything is about race... that's why liberals are the most racist people... It's all that Orwellian doublespeak doublethink affirmative action reverse racism shit that makes you truly color-blind, right?

When I was in university, several of my friends and I took part in a national movement to protest affirmative action by coloring cupcakes with food dye and varying the prices of the cupcakes based on their color. They all tasted the same... but the white ones cost the least. The liberal thought police of the school descended upon us with such a fury that we were all nearly expelled, except that some guy sued in California and got his near-expulsion thrown out, so the school backed off. It was the University of Oklahoma, which you think with it being a red state and all would at least be somewhat conservative! But no! We broke the thought code by "inciting racial hatred." Hmm... all we were doing was applying the principles of affirmative action to cupcakes. Black cupcakes cost $1.50, where as white cupcakes were only 10 cents.

I also had to have my term papers in U.S. history, which btw was not history at all but propaganda, graded by the chair of the history department because the professor failed me every time. My professor moonlighted as the chariman of the Democratic Party in our state... how wonderful!

[bcs]

That is correct Nallick. Back then, health care costs constituted approximately 2-3% of the average income. Today, it's closer to around 20-25%.

There's one problem and that is the statists in the government today. Statists like to regulate an industry and when it starts failing, they will claim that freedom failed and call for even more regulation. It is a perpetual cycle of more regulation until government actually acquires that industry. Welcome to health care today, in the United States. The sad thing is that people believe these stupid statists.

From the 1930s until 1980s, we have been progressing towards socialism, what with FDR and the "entitlement" of social security to LBJ and his Medicare. At the end of Jimmy Carter's term, we had a marginal tax rate of 70% (not kidding!). When Ronald Reagan took over after Jimmy Carter's pathetic presidency and started the conservative revolution, he cut the marginal tax rate from 70% to 28% and did a massive amount of deregulation of industries abroad.

The result was that the Fed actually took in more income ($950 billion dollars on the 28% tax versus $500 billion on the 70% tax for example), unemployment dropped from over 10% to under 4% and the US became the world's superpower.

We were still riding on Reagan's conservative revolution up until the election of 2008 despite Bush being crappy - but it looks like the Democrats and Obama might not even get any of their shit done and hopefully it remains that way.

Yes, Bill Clinton is included in this timeline. Although he was a Democrat who wanted a bigger government, nationalized health care, more regulation, etc... the Republicans stopped him as they owned the majority of seats in Congress. Clinton actually followed the Republican budget which led to the budget surplus.

[Nallick]

Whenever people throw government statistics at me, I always think of the MiniPlenty in Orwell's 1984... lol.

As for what FDR did, that sneaky snake con-man... he and his backers at the Federal Reserve created the economic recession in the Depression and then prolonged it by massive spending and intervention in the money supply. The Federal Reserve is the antithesis of the free market... and we operate under the delusion that when we have a recession, the free market failed, so we must turn to government for intervention to ease the recession, when the government, through the Federal Reserve (or the Federal Reserve through the government, depending on who you believe has the power), created the problem in the first place!

Most people don't even realize what the Federal Reserve does. Liberals sure as hell don't. Guess who does?! Conservatives! But Conservatives are racist bigots, right? Right-wing extremists? That's how they are marginalized by the media and by liberals who don't even bother to listen to or consider their points.

Talking to a liberal/progressive/socialist, or whatever label they operate under, is like talking to a wall... not because they are stubborn, while they often are, but because they are ignorant. And people often tell conservatives that they are inflexible and already have their convictions so arguing with them is senseless because they are not open to "rational" dialogue... perhaps it is just that many conservatives know facts and so can't be swayed from the truth with wishy-washy liberal propaganda which is neverlbacked up by any experience in reality or any facts in history but espoused by any pseudo-intellectual with an audience. What arguments liberals cling to are usually borne out of situations that liberals created and then appeared to solve... example: the Great Depression. Oh, and I read the other day that Obama says the recession is over! Everything is okay!!

[bcs]

Zobama is in permanent campaign mode... he's not presiding - he's leaving that to his infinite number of czars, like Cass Sunstein, the guy who wants to rewrite the Constitution to give dogs and cats rights! That guy thinks pets should be able to sue their owners... lol.

I think Zobama wants his face to show up everywhere - on a picture on the wall, on the tv 24/7, just so people can fall in love with his awesomeness. Just like any other socialist/communist leader.

Anyhow, the ACORN exposure from www.biggovernment.com is already too major to be ignored - but the MSM is ignoring it. Even Jon Stewart, the liberal comedy fake journalist blasted the MSM for not reporting on this!

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I lol'd about the ACORN thing. I knew that company was nothing but trouble. I lol'd even harder when Bertha Lewis said she was going to sue Fox News and try bringing up criminal actions, and then 2 days later she's acting like ACORN is the victim. Fuck that bitch needs to die also.

[Nallick]

Yeah, I added her to my hit list in case I ever get terminal cancer... I am going to leave the world better than I found it.

[bcs]

Careful now, the White House monitors this extremist right-wing site.

[Xenicide]

I wouldn't doubt it. But lol, my dad was telling me how in his favorites on Windows 7 there's a bunch of White House links. Me thinks that they're either sending virus' out or they got a deal with Microsoft.



As I was writing this I checked mine and I got it too.. wtf. I've never been to GobiernoUSA.gov, and I definitely didn't favorite it.

[bcs]

Xenicide, on 17 September 2009 - 01:35 AM, said:

I wouldn't doubt it. But lol, my dad was telling me how in his favorites on Windows 7 there's a bunch of White House links. Me thinks that they're either sending virus' out or they got a deal with Microsoft.



As I was writing this I checked mine and I got it too.. wtf. I've never been to GobiernoUSA.gov, and I definitely didn't favorite it.

Looks like a Spanish site... I would have put a different bookmark in there instead: getthefuckoutoftheusaifyoucantspeakenglish.gov

[Nallick]

You right-wing extremists! The government is just letting you know they're watching...

[Ojisaan]

Nallick, on 17 September 2009 - 01:41 AM, said:

You right-wing extremists! The government is just letting you know they're watching...

STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bcs]

Check out Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals by the way. I never bothered to read or check it out after it was mentioned a few times but after I keep hearing about it, I decided to buy the book.

It is a very good read.

Tell a lie enough times, and it becomes truth - this one striked me as pretty accurate of the liberals.

[bcs]

Sofaking, on 30 July 2009 - 01:57 PM, said:

IMO it's not socialism that fails but the current state of America's constitutional republic. The checks and balances that were put in place have been blurred over the years to such a point that the 3 levels of government have effectively become one. So now any legislation that a current sitting government wants past usually will. So when Octomom wants a hand out she gets it because the average voter is not either not voting or is not holding their elected representative accountable to behave in the best interest of the voter. Would things be different if America went to a more Oligarchy style of government, probably because in that case it would reward the greedy man willing to work 14-16 hrs a day to get ahead. However it punishes the majority who through education or ambition are not as successful despite how hard they may work.

I was flipping through this thread to review what has already been said, and this is a great piece to comment on.

IMO, the 'constitutional republic' of the US died in 1912 with the 17th Amendment and we're pretty much a democracy at this moment.

See Ron Paul's text on this here: http://www.house.gov...03/cr012903.htm
Ron's text is long, but very worth the read... although I disagree with him on interventionist policies; people today can build nuclear warheads so we need a good military.

[bcs]

So I'm sitting in my ol' office browsing the internet at work... and I come across this.



REALLY? Wtf kinda shit is this? If we had that done for Bush, Reagan, or whatever, people would literally blow the fuck up.

[Xenicide]

Yeah, I saw that this morning. Pretty fucked up.